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There are 12 messages totalling 505 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Maxell vs. TDK (5)
  2. Revival
  3. ABB background music
  4. From Hittin' the Web's Forum
  5. ABB coffee table book? (2)
  6. My soul's bein'  MYCOLOGICIZED
  7. Best of Beacon CD Update.


 Subject: 
        Maxell vs. TDK
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 08:43:49 -0700
   From: 
        matt cohen 



O.K. ladies and gentlemen, let's settle this once and for all. I have a confession to make. I am a closet TDK fan. I have never admitted this to the taping community before for fear of being ostracized. Can anyone tell me why Maxells are so predominantl

y used. To be honest with my eyes closed I dont' think I could tell a show taped on an XLII from the same show taped on a TDK SA. I always just found TDK's to last slightly longer. So what's your opinion. Why do you prefer one brand over the other or do

 you not have a preference. Let's get this out in the open and maybe we can all learn something about analog recording medium.
thanx
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 Subject: 
        Re: Maxell vs. TDK
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:47:09 EDT
   From: 
        Ronald Girardin 



i think the MAXpoints had something to do with the popularity of MAXELL.
I too, admit that I don't really see a difference between the two.

peace
ron


 Subject: 
        Re: Maxell vs. TDK
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 10:52:01 -0500
   From: 
        Peter D Fetzek 



On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, matt cohen wrote:

Can anyone tell me why Maxells are so predominantly used.

In a word:  MAXPOINTS

....and then probably force of habit after they quit the offer.

pete


 Subject: 
        Re: Maxell vs. TDK
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:29:05 EDT
   From: 
        Omast1@AOL.COM



 I have found Maxells to be more durable---TDK are eaten by my decks the way a
fat man devours Big Macs......
 So it could be a matter of decks --I dunno----although I remember Prof. Glenn
White, in one of the first HTN articles on taping, stating that Maxell XLIIS
caused the least amount of hiss when copying a tape.

 Tony


 Subject: 
        Revival
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:26:10 PDT
   From: 
        Kevin Zimka 



With the summer tour right around the corner, time to dust of the pleas for the
Brothers to bring back "Revival".

PLLLLLEEEEEAAAAASSSSSEEEE

Kevin


 Subject: 
        ABB background music
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:40:14 -0400
   From: 
        David Tanner 



Just an interesting thought I'd like to share with y'all.     This morning
while working on some modifications to some old boring warehouse software
here at good ole GC&SU,  I decided that some good music would make the chore
a lot more palatable.  So, I popped in 2nd Set and advanced over to the last
song on the CD, 'Jessica'.  As the music began, it quickly became apparent
that I could either listen to the music, or concentrate on work, doing both
was totally out of the question.   Of course I chose to push back from the
keyboard and enjoy the magic.  For the next sixteen minutes, the state of
Georgia definitely didn't get their moneys worth.   I should have known  (
having experienced this before) that I can't casually listen to theABB or
Mule.  Jessica is a prime example (and there are others) where the music
grabs my attention right away and takes me on a journey that never totally
strays from the central melody of the song, although taking some very
interesting side trips.    I can listen to the radio or other CDs while
working and casually enjoy them in the background, but not this.  This is
special music enjoyed by folks who really appreciate the finer things.
Anyway, enough with the gushing... Hope to meet and greet a bunch of y'all
in Atlanta in september...       David (wishing he could party with Ron and
everyone on the 4th) Tanner

p.s   Got my Fox Run tix yesterday....  sept 4th   Right Pit DDD  11 and 12
David Tanner
Georgia College & State University


 Subject: 
        Re: From Hittin' the Web's Forum
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:37:08 -0700
   From: 
        Michael Bruns 



> player and I also have a knack for transcribing songs). After about 15
> minutes I figured out it was an chord that was played so perfectly it
> sounded like a single note.  I think it was Bass Player mag. that
> compared him to a young Jaco.  That pretty much sums it up.  I loved the
> brothers music before Oteil and Jack joined but they have really added
> something special to the mix.
Nothing against Warren & Woody, Mule is
> also one of my favorite bands...  Am I just rambling on now? or does
> anybody know what I am taking about?
>


To my ear, Oteil and Jack are phenomenal musicians. Oteil has gone right to
the top rung of my list of favorite electric bass players.   I struggle to
think of others I like more.  Jaco, Victor Bailey was phenomenal with
Zawinul Syndicate, I love Victor Wooten, but I love Oteil's playing
more-it's more lyrical.  Oteil is also one of the most supportive without
being overwhelming bass players I've ever heard and support is the name of
the game for a bass player. The names I start thinking of to compare Oteil
to are among the generally acknowledged finest electric players out there.
That's tall company.  I never felt that way about Allan.  I don't mean any
disrespect to him.  Saying that Steve Kerr is not Scottie Pippen doesn't
mean Steve Kerr still isn't a damn good basketball player, he just isn't
quite at Pippen's level.

I don't think of Jack as so clearly "better" as a player compared to
Warren, but I like him more.

Overall they've changed the sound of the band dramatically.  It's more
sophisticated and interactive.  Sometimes I think Dickey isn't playing
quite as hot now as he did a few years ago, but then I hear him rip one and
forget about what used to be.

Peace,

Mike


> -Mike
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> Mike Pistone                            pistone@eurekanet.com
> Systems/Network Administrator           ph: 740-593-5052 x106
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>
> On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Lana Michelizzi wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:30:45 -0400
> > From: Lana Michelizzi 
> > To: ALLMAN@NETSPACE.ORG
> > Subject: From Hittin' the Web's Forum
> >
> > Mornin' swwet family,
> >
> > I was out all last week doing HAHT stuff, am hopelessly behind in
reading
> > email, but thought I'd share this from the Forum with you:
> >
> >
> >
> > Original Message:
> >
> > Posted by: Bum in Boston (chris_robinson@iacnet.com )
> > Date posted: Thu May 28 12:30:21 1998
> > Subject: Summer Songs
> > Message:
> > Hello Mr. Trucks. First of all I must say it is very cool of you to
> > participate in this forum. Your music is a constant presence in my life
> > through good and bad times.
> > Thank You! Question: Is there any chance of bringing back Les Brers and
or
> > a full Mt. Jam this summer? I guess what I'm really asking is do you
guys
> > have a
> > process you follow to come up with set lists or do you create set lists
> > based on whatever floats your boat at the time? Thanks for reading and
> > whatever you all
> > choose to play I'll be loving it at Great Woods this summer. Chris
> > Robinson...Bum in Boston
> >
> > Previous reply
> >
> > Reply:
> >
> > Subject: Summer Songs
> > Reply Posted by: Butch Trucks
> > Organization: ABB
> > Date Posted: Sat Jun 6 12:30:46 1998
> > Message:
> > Thanks for the thoughts. Les Brers is definitely a possibility. It is
one
> > of my favorite jam songs and we have talked about bringing it back. You
> > must undersatnd that
> > Mountain Jam is not a song. It is a jam that developed over 100's of
gigs
> > and afternoon jams and was unique to that group. If we were to do
another
> > one now it
> > really wouldn't be the same at all. We are starting to develop a few
things
> > on Jessie and High Falls that may turn into a MJ type of extension.
We'll
> > just have to wait
> > and see.
> >
> >
> > take care and know that you are loved ...
> >
> > Lana
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------*
> > Lana Michelizzi                  www.haht.com
> > Operations Manager          Phone: 919.786.5137
> > HAHT Software, Inc.         Fax:   919.786.5115
> > 4200 Six Forks Rd.
> > Raleigh, NC 27609
>
>


 Subject: 
        Re: Maxell vs. TDK
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:22:52 EDT
   From: 
        Skaidawg@AOL.COM



In a message dated 98-06-09 11:45:03 EDT, you write:

<< O.K. ladies and gentlemen, let's settle this once and for all. I have a
confession to make. I am a closet TDK fan. I have never admitted this to the
taping community before for fear of being ostracized. Can anyone tell me why
Maxells are so predominantly used. To be honest with my eyes closed I dont'
think I could tell a show taped on an XLII from the same show taped on a TDK
SA. I always just found TDK's to last slightly longer. So what's your opinion.
Why do you prefer one brand over the other or do you not have a preference.
Let's get this out in the open and maybe we can all learn something about
analog recording medium. >>

I have a friend who is a materials engineer and used to work with BASF.  I
asked him what he thought of the two tapes and he said that the actual Iron
Acetate combo is exactly the same.  A recording on the two brands SHOULD sound
exactly the same if made under EXACTLY the same conditions.  The only thing he
noticed was that the backing of the Maxell tape was more durable.

This was a comparison of the SA versus the XL II.  He also added that the
XLIIS was EXACTLY the same kinda tape that goes into the XL II.  The only
difference was that the casing was much better for the XLIIS.  Also, he noted
that the heavier casing could dampen vibration within the tape well leading to
a slightly better recording.

One other note...he mentioned that if you are taping off of a CD or DAT, the
metal tapes are the only ones that are going to capture the full dynamic
range.  The top end for a SA or XL II or XL IIS tape is about 18,000 hz.  The
top end of a metal tape is 22,000 hz.  There are CD's that can go up to 30,000
hz and cd players that can read those.  Very few commercial speakers, however,
can play above 25,000 hz.  Some headphones can go up to 30,000 hz though.
Considering that the normal range of hearing in a human is 20-20000 hz, it
doesn't really matter.

One other thing...he mentioned that the dynamic range of FM radio was much
more limited then that of a recording.  Putting an FM broadcast on CD is kinda
silly for the sake of YOUR recording.  The top end of FM (due to the physics
of the wave) is 18,000 hz.  That;s why it sounds "compressed," for lack of a
better word.

The only thing that I can say about CD's is there is no tape flip.  If you
spin it for someone else onto tape, there will be that hiss that comes with
analog tape (not much for a 1st gen recording though).  Also, you can listen
to it on your computer, I suppose or if that's all ya got in the car (a CD
player that is).

Finally, in regards to the 110 debate.  The maxell 110 of choice is the
MX-110.  They aren't sold very much for some reason. I've never seen one in a
store.  You can find the TDK MA-110 in stores however.  Terrapin does offer
the MX-110 if you are a die-hard Maxell fan and don't wanna use TDK's.


Anyway...that is the info I have been able to gather,
Dave


 Subject: 
        ABB coffee table book?
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:02:42 -0700
   From: 
        Bob Beatty 



>--- Only the second Allman book

>Despite the compelling elements of the Allman >Brothers' story,
Freeman's is only the second book on >the band, according to his
bibliography. The first was >a 1976 publication that Freeman described
as a >coffeetable picture book.

Has anyone ever heard of this book?  It'd be interesting to look & see
if it's around huh?

Bob


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 Subject: 
        My soul's bein' MYCOLOGICIZED
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 14:03:16 -0400
   From: 
        "Marshall, Steven A (Steven)** CTR **" 



Just got back to the 'National Affairs Desk' here after a quick run out
at Lunch.

random thought while out:  Where do ALL THESE PEOPLE COME FROM???
Why the hell aren't THEY at work like me???  I can pick out the few who
look
like lunchtime shoppers like me, and a few more obvious touristas and
retirees.

But there's a SHITLOAD of people it looks like who DON'T WORK.  At least
they don't work the good 'ol 9-5.  Now, I haven't had more than an 11 or
13 day long break from 'work' since a 3 week vacation about 1980 (I
painted my HOUSE then), an I guess I'm a victim of the 'American Ruse' -
or simply the
work ethic planted deep in my skull by my parents upon birth.  But dang
it,
I can't help but feel kind of... oh hell I don't know - I'm whining now,
aren't I...

Anyway - I picked up a couple copies of MYCOLOGY at BEST BUY (12.99)
- a couple cuz I think this kind of compilation is great to pass around
to family and friends - and FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD, this is an official
release of a
Duane era tune, so IM gonna have it!   Hey - a few of y'all out there
might
just fess up that your inital ABB purchase was Decade of Hits, before we
go off slammin' the release of an Anthology.  They have their
porpoise...

And looky here!  In the inside cover is a hearty endorsement of OUR web
site!
And the Queen (no, not YOU Jon) and Rowland!!  Thats awfully nice to
see.
Once again - I would like to thank them for all of their efforts
expended on behalf of US.  I know its a labor of love - but it's still a
labor.  Thankfully it
can be recognized in a very fitting manner now. AMEN

MYCOLOGY DOES sharpen my appetite for a release by the CURRENT
band - I want it - I want it ASAP - I want it done up RIGHT, too,
dammit!
Personally, I'm tickled at ANY
release by the family - and I can't argue with the selections made for
this
compilation - its some GREAT music!  Which gets me on to a cutesy little
observation I'd like to make as an addendum to the "'other things I hear
when I'm listening to so-n-so track" thread(s). <===which I love to
death

Here it is - anybody notice how your BRAIN automatically begins to
'play' the
next track in order from THE ORIGINAL RECORDING when you finish up
hearing track A ???  That is to say - after Get On With Your Life
finished up
on the box here from Mycology (Track 4) - My head starts
playing/expecting the greasy intro to Midnight Man - and I suffer a
slight freak when Nobody Knows crashes in instead!  I think this was one
thing that really threw me
off with the Fillmore Concerts release  --- the Stevelator-2000 mental
CD player-arranger was thrown into complete discombobulation by the
rearrangment of tracks.  I YAM a creature of habits... (which reminds
me, isn't it about time for a beer?).   Anybody else suffer from this
peculiar 'irregularity'??

Every Hungry Woman - admittedly NOT my favorite early ABB piece - sounds
really really good - Berry is held pretty well in check in this mix, but
the
effect overall is very pleasing.  They even manage to blend some nice
blown speaker whistling in an unobtrusive manner!  And its placement as
the
final cut on Mycology enables the final audible on the CD to be Duane
bidding
us all "thank you" !

Well you're sure as hell welcome, bud.  I'll go out and see YOUR band
again
real soon!  If I can get a day offa work...

Steve


 Subject: 
        Re: ABB coffee table book?
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:21:42 -0700
   From: 
        Chris Brown 



I did manage to look through this "coffeetable book".  I got it through
Interlibrary Loan at the library I work for.  The book has some nice
photos..it is more akin to those oversized fan books (like the Leonardo
Dicaprio ones that are floating around in bookstores).  It was allright the
book was falling apart.

Chris Brown

:>>--- Only the second Allman book
>
>>Despite the compelling elements of the Allman >Brothers' story,
>Freeman's is only the second book on >the band, according to his
>bibliography. The first was >a 1976 publication that Freeman described
>as a >coffeetable picture book.
>
>Has anyone ever heard of this book?  It'd be interesting to look & see
>if it's around huh?
>
>Bob
>
>
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 Subject: 
        Re: Best of Beacon CD Update.
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:47:47 -0800
   From: 
        Denise Halbe 



I gotta say 3/22 has GREAT energy -
I'm very fond of Don't Want You No More
but I'm most ESPECIALLY fond of Black Hearted Woman on here.
And Sailin Cross the Devils Sea is ripping too.... :)

dos pesos [you know what THAT's worth! :)]

Denise
                     ~from the cabin on the hill

I((((O))))I((((O))))I((((O))))I((((O)))I(((O)))I((((O)
> From: Mike Pistone 
> To: ALLMAN@NETSPACE.ORG
> Subject: Best of Beacon CD Update.
> Date:         Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:43:06 -0400
>
>Well I think I will have a setlist completed by next monday.  It is finals
>week so I am swamped until thursday.   Most requests seem to from 3/7 or
>3/14.... Aren't there any other shows that people want to see included....
>I think I am going to put in the acoustic set that included Hideaway since
>that was a special/rare moment.  Also, the acoustic Liz Reed, wich I am
>yet to hear....
>
>
>Do we want this to be 1 or 2 CD legnths?
>
>Also, on the DAT vs Tape master topic... I am going to try to get all of
>the songs on DAT and make the master CD off of DAT to make the DATHeads
>happy.  Personaly I can't tell the difference with a live show, BUT
>obviously other people can.  If I can manage to get all the shows on DAT
>it will be a totally digital CD, if not I might have to mix in a few
>analog songs.  I have some processing software that eliminates the tape
>hiss when transfering to CD so tapes will sound great anyway.  This
>software also cleans up LP's when transfered to CD.  It completely removes
>any of the static, hissing, and pops that "pop" up on some LPs.  I'v
>transfered some old Jazz 45's that are out of print onto CD and it sounds
>line something that Blue Note just re-issued... :)
>
>-Mike
>
>
>
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There are 15 messages totalling 501 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Maxell's Silver Hammer
  2. maxell v tdk (2)
  3. Best of Beacon CD Update.
  4. ABB coffee table book? (3)
  5. Beacon compilations (2)
  6. Maxel vs. TDK (2)
  7. A true brother, Please take a minute to read this.
  8. CDnow building identity (no ABB)
  9. Red Rocks Baseball
 10. H.O.R.D.E. Festival in Toronto (No ABB)


 Subject: 
        Maxell's Silver Hammer
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 11:35:20 -0700
   From: 
        Michael Chilton <6500mdc@UCSBUXA.UCSB.EDU>



Peachniks,

While I agree that the Max Points promotion probably solidified
Maxell's share of the tape trader market, I think it is possible
to discern a trend towards Maxell dominance even earlier.  The
Max Points offer just took the trend to a whole new level. (BTW,
if the person who was able to get Maxell to send him some blanks
by pointing out that TDK had recently run a promotion using the
Max Points is reading this, please contact me)

My personal preference for Maxell is, now, irrational.  When I
started collecting tapes, 90 min XLIIS tapes were $1.99 and the
heavier case construction seemed well worth the extra .30 over
the price of a plain XLII.  When you fast forwarded a XLIIS it
seemed there was noticeably less chatter compared to the XLII.
I'm no science guy, obviously, but it seemed to me that a heavier
case would translate into less chance of the tape unduly wiggling
around inside while recording.

I say irrational because I can no longer afford XLIIS tapes and
even though the Max Points program is over and even though I've
read the test results in Consumer Reports showing some (marginal?)
superiority of TDK over Maxell, I still buy Maxell.  Unless I'm
desperately strapped for cash, I'd rather pay $1.67 for a Maxell
XLII than $1.50 for a TDK.

Then again, maybe it's not irrational.  Maybe there's some sense
in making a choice and sticking with it in your collection. It
could be TDK or Maxell or whatever, but using the same brand
over time, in some way, might allow you to develop a feeling for
what to expect from the product.  It's possibly the case that
each brand has certain characteristics that, while not being
necessarily quantifiable or even identifiable, are more or less
consistent over time.  If so, and you use enough of them, you
might sort of develop a sense of what to expect from a brand.
Like I said, I'm no science guy.

Still, all said, I'm absolutely positive I couldn't tell the
difference in a blind product to product comparison. *shrug*

In Peach We Trust,

Michael Chilton
(not a science guy)

NP: NFA>GDTRFB>NFA, The Grateful Goddamn Dead, 4/6/71

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 Subject: 
        maxell v tdk
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 13:02:04 -0700
   From: 
        Stu Jones 



let me weigh in on this one
A) never had a tdk eaten by a tade deck (sorry tony, i have had a number

of maxell's go that route)
B) to a large degree i think force of habit from max points figures into
it
C) i have been told, but am not an engineer and cant verify, that tdk
holds the upper end better
D) if you are trading sax/xliis the i would guess the shell may make the
xliis a slightly better tape
E) i prefer to trade tdk but have little opportunity to do so as they
arent readily available where i am
hope everyone is well
peace
stu

--
******************************************************
    "war is over....if you want....."
               john lennon

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                   www.kardworx.com/list
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 Subject: 
        Re: Best of Beacon CD Update.
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 12:07:46 -0700
   From: 
        Rebecca Fuller 



>> From: Mike Pistone 
>> To: ALLMAN@NETSPACE.ORG
>> Subject: Best of Beacon CD Update.
>> Date:         Tue, 9 Jun 1998 09:43:06 -0400
>>
I think I am going to put in the acoustic set that included Hideaway since
>>that was a special/rare moment.  Also, the acoustic Liz Reed, wich I am
>>yet to hear....

pony boy! going down the road feelin bad! come on in my kitchen.

hey! how about an all-beacon-all-acoustic tape?!

b


 Subject: 
        Re: maxell v tdk
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:43:23 -0400
   From: 
        Josh Chasin 



I am a less avid tap trader than many of you, but I have always preferred
TDK to Maxell.  I have always felt-- and believe me, I know there may be
nothing at all to this-- that TDK is better for highs, Maxell for lows.  And
my preference for TDK is simply a matter of which end of the sonic spectrum
makes my ears happiest.


 Subject: 
        Re: ABB coffee table book?
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:46:11 -0400
   From: 
        Steve DeCristofor 



Yeah I have it. It's a large paperback kinda book. Same old stories and
photos. I guess it came out in the late 70's. No big deal though. I
haven't looked through it  for years.
Steve

On Tue, 9 Jun 1998, Bob Beatty wrote:

> >--- Only the second Allman book
>
> >Despite the compelling elements of the Allman >Brothers' story,
> Freeman's is only the second book on >the band, according to his
> bibliography. The first was >a 1976 publication that Freeman described
> as a >coffeetable picture book.
>
> Has anyone ever heard of this book?  It'd be interesting to look & see
> if it's around huh?
>
> Bob
>
>
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 Subject: 
        Beacon compilations
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:15:56 EDT
   From: 
        Adam D Kroft 



Wow, lots of good ideas flowing on this topic!  In response to Mike, I'd go
for 2 CDs for a Best of the Beacon.  If a radio show couldn't get less than
2 discs worth of material I doubt a bunch of avid fans can.

Also, I think becca's idea of a compilation of acoustic Beacon material
(in whatever medium - CD or tape) would be cool too.  I guess there's a lot
you can do when your fav. band plays a three week stand :)



~40 Lire (or so) (hey, Denise started it :)

Adam


 Subject: 
        Re: Maxel vs. TDK
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:26:41 -0500
   From: 
        Dean 



> In a message dated 98-06-09 11:45:03 EDT, you write:
>
> One other note...he mentioned that if you are taping off of a CD or DAT,
the
> metal tapes are the only ones that are going to capture the full dynamic
> range.  The top end for a SA or XL II or XL IIS tape is about 18,000 hz.
The
> top end of a metal tape is 22,000 hz.  There are CD's that can go up to
30,000
> hz and cd players that can read those.  Very few commercial speakers,
however,
> can play above 25,000 hz.  Some headphones can go up to 30,000 hz though.
> Considering that the normal range of hearing in a human is 20-20000 hz,
it
> doesn't really matter.

I would venture most adults cannot hear 20,000 - it's not so much the
average but rather the max. for a human (and probably one that hasn't
played loud music for years & years).  Oh, and CD's only go to 22,050 - by
definition (half the 44,100 sampling rate).

When you consider that alot of vintage shows (60's, 70's) taken from
audience tapes probably have upper end freq's around 6 Khz, it's really way
overkill to pick and choose the "best" audio tape, anyone will do fine to
reproduce crummy sounding (the sonics, not the performance) shows.

Dean


 Subject: 
        Re: Beacon compilations
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 15:33:07 -0700
   From: 
        Rebecca Fuller 



At 02:15 PM 6/9/98 , Adam D Kroft wrote:
In response to Mike, I'd go
>for 2 CDs for a Best of the Beacon.

2 CDs is always better than 1! I say, go for it.

my 9 drachs.

b


 Subject: 
        A true brother, Please take a minute to read this.
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:44:55 -0600
   From: 
        Shane McCrae 



Hi Folks,
    Just a note to say thanks to a great guy,  Kevin Zimka.
I was working in my office today when my wife came downstairs and said "you
got a package in the mail."
    Imagine my surprise when I opened it up and found 5 tapes in side,  The
Beacon '98, Manley Fieldhouse 7/72, and The Warehouse 9/71.  Also included
was a simple note reading "hope this helps."  Amazing!!
    As many of you know I have recently faced up to some problems in my life
that needed dealing with.  I am now one month drug free and, thanks in no
small part to the support I've recieved from so many of you, I will remain
so.  But this takes the cake.
Thank you Kevin,  you are a most excellent dude and a generous, caring man.
My day, week, month and so on were made by your wonderful gesture of
kindness.
    Ladies and gentlemen, please send Kevin a smile, he is a brother of the
highest degree.  Sincerely,  Shane "Stray Dog" McCrae


 Subject: 
        Re: Maxel vs. TDK
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:52:06 EDT
   From: 
        Skaidawg@AOL.COM



In a message dated 98-06-09 17:28:12 EDT, you write:

<< I would venture most adults cannot hear 20,000 - it's not so much the
 average but rather the max. for a human (and probably one that hasn't
 played loud music for years & years).  Oh, and CD's only go to 22,050 - by
 definition (half the 44,100 sampling rate). >>


Seems like I remember reading that a cymbal splash is around 13,000 hz.
Probably the highest pitch you are likely to find in music.  The reason for
going above 20,000 hz is a theory that you can sense the sound.  There are
cd's that go above 22,050.  I can not remember the name of the technology, but
they have a special symbol on the disc itself.  The cd players to play them
cost about $3000.  When I was looking at new tape decks last year, the place I
got my Yamaha's had em.  I listened to them with headphones that went above
30,000 hz and couldn't tell a difference.

It's funny...I have Surrealistic Pillow on vinyl.  When I play "Embryonic
Journey" on the record, it sounds more....THERE.  I don't know how to explain
it other then that. I borrowed the cd and played it on the same stereo and it
wasn't the same.  Of course, the snaps and pops weren't there...but the vinyl
seemed to have more volume.  And by that, I mean more space...not louder.

Dave


 Subject: 
        CDnow building identity (no ABB)
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 16:11:13 -0700
   From: 
        "P. G. Torrez" 



I know that many of you buy some of your music via Cdnow, so this may be of
interest.  --PGTorrez
- - - - - - -
(from the SAN JOSE MERCURY NEWS, Tuesday, June 9, 1998)

CDwho? Net retailer tries to build a brand name

JENKINTOWN, Pa. (AP) -- Haven't heard of CDnow? Just wait.

Its blue-and-white logo is popping up all over the World Wide Web, as the
online music retailer races to establish its brand name and stave off
competition from better-known foes.

At Internet directories Yahoo, Lycos and WebCrawler, cdnow.com is just a
click away. At entertainment sites Mr. Showbiz, Wall of Sound and the
Rolling Stone Network, readers are urged to become CDnow customers.

Television is the next frontier. CDnow, based in suburban Philadelphia,
recently agreed to a $22.5 million sponsorship deal with MTV Networks, the
division of Viacom Inc. that owns cable music stations MTV and VH1.

``We're building a brand,'' said founder Jason Olim, 28. ``I see (music
sales) probably as being a three-brand game.''

Which three will prevail remains to be seen.

Less than 1 percent of recorded music sales occur over the Internet,
divided among hundreds of retailers, from mass marketers to record labels
to local skateboard shops.

CDnow led the market last year with 33 percent of online music sales, twice
the share of No. 2 Music Boulevard, according to New York research firm
Jupiter Communications.

But well-known rivals are crowding the field. Tower Records and mail-order
merchants K-Tel and Columbia House have moved onto the Web. Blockbuster and
booksellers Borders and Amazon.com also offer music at their sites.

Olim isn't worried. ``I'm looking at the fact that 99 percent of retail
sales are not taking place on the Internet,'' he said.

That figure will shrink. Jupiter predicts online music sales will reach
$1.6 billion annually within four years. And today's Web marketing battles
will determine which retailers survive to cash in, Jupiter analyst Ken
Cassar said.

``Everyone is losing money because the margins are so low. What people are
shooting for is an established market share by 2002,'' he said. ``It is
important that you be No. 1, No. 2 or maybe No. 3.''

To make themselves known, CDnow and other online retailers have allied with
portals -- the search engines and Internet services such as America Online
where most Web surfers start their ride.

The strategy is necessary, Cassar said, because CDnow and many of its
competitors offer pretty much the same wide selection.

CDnow made its first deal with Yahoo, paying for the right to stick its
button alongside the Web's most popular directory.

That was in August. Since then, ``the portals have effectively been locked
up for the next two to four years by the big players,'' Cassar said.

He anticipates that online retailers will begin to shift more dollars to
traditional advertising, such as CDnow's MTV deal and its spots on Howard
Stern's radio show.

CDnow also offers ``cosmic credit'' to enlist average folks in its
marketing army. Similar to programs offered by Amazon and Borders, cosmic
credit rewards people who link their Web pages to CDnow's with a slice of
the revenue generated by the link. So far, 18,000 have joined up.

``You build the name, you build the brand, then you make the money,'' said
Lauren Shanahan, spokeswoman for the Association of Internet Professionals.
``This is a traditional retailing concept.''

Olim was a Brown University graduate and software engineer when he launched
CDnow four years ago with his twin brother, Matthew.

Inspiration dawned in college, after he received a copy of Miles Davis'
``Kind of Blue.'' When he went to a record store seeking more of the same,
the teen-age clerk pointed him to section ``M.''

``What I wanted was a better music store,'' Olim said. ``I thought what
would work is a database that would take the information in review guides
and put it together with the records.''

Starting with $20,000, the Olim brothers spent six months ``coding like
madmen'' before they were ready in August 1994.

The Olims launched a dial-up site and netted $14 the first month. A friend
then told Olim that he should think about going on the then-nascent Web.

``He said, `It's going to be huge,''' Olim recalled. ``I said, `Well,
maybe.' At no point did I imagine it would be this big.''

CDnow's revenues grew to $17.4 million in 1997, and $10 million in the
first quarter of 1998, Cassar said. The company has tripled its staff in a
year, to more than 130. While CDnow lost more than $10 million last year,
it benefited from Wall Street's enthusiasm for Internet
stocks earlier this year. The company began trading its shares on Nasdaq
exchange in February and raised $61 million in cash, which it has been
spending on the new promotions.

CDnow.com can be read in nine languages and boasts 250,000 titles but no
inventory. When an order is placed, CDnow has it sent out by a distributor.
Compact discs run a few dollars below list, plus shipping.

Unlike N2K's Music Boulevard, CDnow produces little of its own content.
CDnow has a four-year deal with College Media Inc. to allow customers to
access record reviews from the CMJ music monthlies. Under the three-year
deal with MTV, CDnow will sponsor MTV and VH1 telecasts while offering
reviews and music news from the networks at its Web site.

``You won't find us trying to build a magazine,'' Olim said. ``We're not
going to try to waste our time trying to compete with our partners.''

                                                        #


 Subject: 
        Red Rocks Baseball
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 17:37:09 PDT
   From: 
        Kevin Zimka 



Fellow ABB Red Rockers,

The Colorado Rockies are playing the Philadelphia Phillies @ 1:05 pm on Sunday
August the 16th at Coors Field.  Even if the ABB adds a third show, it would be
possible to catch this game.  I'm going to purchase some tickets so all those
who'll still be around and want to go email me privately so I know how many to
purchase.

KevinZ


 Subject: 
        Re: ABB coffee table book?
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:15:29 EDT
   From: 
        Janice Barton 



Hey there to Steve or anyone else who has this book.  Could you please give me
any info  - author, title, ISBN (10 digit number, probably starts with a zero
- usually found at the bottom of the back cover), anything I could use to find
this book? Your help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks a bunch!
-- Janice B.
Only 54 days 'til I get to see my favourite band!!!


 Subject: 
        H.O.R.D.E. Festival in Toronto (No ABB)
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:15:32 EDT
   From: 
        Janice Barton 



Hiya all.  Just thought I'd let anyone who's interested know that HORDE has
finally been announced for here in Toronto, Ontario.  The show is at the
Molson Ampitheatre on Tuesday, July 28, and the lineup includes: Blues
Traveler, Gov't. Mule, Barenaked Ladies, Ben Harper, Alana Davis, and Marcy
Playground.  Tickets go onsale this Saturday, June 13, at 10:00am.  This will
be a nice little warm-up for the show I'm really looking forward to the
following Sunday.
--Janice B.
"Gonna get my ass kicked for the first time!"


 Subject: 
        Re: ABB coffee table book?
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:22:08 EDT
   From: 
        RAB@AOL.COM



I'll take a shot at this one. The book eveyone is asking about is probably as
follows:

The Allman Brothers Band
A Biography in Words & Pictures
by Tom Nolan

Sire Books
Chappell Music Company

Copyright 1976

ISBN - 06-465074-X


Haven't seen a copy for sale in YEARS. Probably out of print.

Subject: 
          ALLMAN Digest - 9 Jun 1998
     Date: 
          Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:02:06 -0400
     From: 
          Automatic digest processor , owner-ALLMAN@NETSPACE.ORG
 Reply-To: 
          Allman Bros mailing list 
       To: 
          Recipients of ALLMAN digests 




   Subject: 
          ALLMAN Digest - 9 Jun 1998
     Date: 
          Wed, 10 Jun 1998 00:02:06 -0400
     From: 
          Automatic digest processor 
 Reply-To: 
          Allman Bros mailing list 
       To: 
          Recipients of ALLMAN digests 



There are 5 messages totalling 166 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. ABB background music
  2. Maxell vs. Others
  3. More Baseball
  4. OKBits....come on down to The Mint!
  5. Coffee Table Book


 Subject: 
        ABB background music
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 18:41:15 -0700
   From: 
        Bob Beatty 



---Automatic digest processor  wrote:

> ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822
 > player and I also have a knack for transcribing songs). After about
15
> > minutes I figured out it was an chord that was played so perfectly
it
> > sounded like a single note.  I think it was Bass Player mag. that
> > compared him to a young Jaco.  That pretty much sums it up.  I
loved the
> > brothers music before Oteil and Jack joined but they have really
added
> > something special to the mix.
> Nothing against Warren & Woody, Mule is
> > also one of my favorite bands...  Am I just rambling on now? or does
> > anybody know what I am taking about?
> >
>
>
> To my ear, Oteil and Jack are phenomenal musicians. Oteil has gone
right to
> the top rung of my list of favorite electric bass players.   I
struggle to
> think of others I like more.  Jaco, Victor Bailey was phenomenal with
> Zawinul Syndicate, I love Victor Wooten, but I love Oteil's playing
> more-it's more lyrical.  Oteil is also one of the most supportive
without
> being overwhelming bass players I've ever heard and support is the
name of
> the game for a bass player. The names I start thinking of to compare
Oteil
> to are among the generally acknowledged finest electric players out
there.
> That's tall company.  I never felt that way about Allan.  I don't
mean any
> disrespect to him.  Saying that Steve Kerr is not Scottie Pippen
doesn't
> mean Steve Kerr still isn't a damn good basketball player, he just
isn't
> quite at Pippen's level.
>
> I don't think of Jack as so clearly "better" as a player compared to
> Warren, but I like him more.
>
> Overall they've changed the sound of the band dramatically.  It's more
> sophisticated and interactive.  Sometimes I think Dickey isn't playing
> quite as hot now as he did a few years ago, but then I hear him rip
one and
> forget about what used to be.
>
> Peace,
>
> Mike
>
>
> > -Mike
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------------
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> > Systems/Network Administrator           ph: 740-593-5052 x106
> > Eureka Networks, Ltd.                   fx: 740-594-3632
> >

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 Subject: 
        Maxell vs. Others
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:48:37 EDT
   From: 
        OneWayOutx@AOL.COM



I don't know much about TDK, and I'm not a sound engineer, and I can't tell
the difference between hertz a little and hertz a lot, too many years in front
rows I guess, but..... I was trying to spin a tape for someone yesterday from
a full Maxell XLII 90 onto a Sony HF90 that I ended up with somehow and the
Sony tape ran out about 10-15 seconds before the Maxell ended....now THAT
sucked.  Round filing the Sony and sticking to Maxell here.....

GlennB


 Subject: 
        More Baseball
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 21:52:18 EDT
   From: 
        OneWayOutx@AOL.COM



Anyone know if the Blue Jays have a home game on 8/1 before the ABB on 8/2?
...or if the Braves are at home the week of the Fox Run??

GlennB


 Subject: 
        OKBits....come on down to The Mint!
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:23:13 EDT
   From: 
        OKBand@AOL.COM



Don't forget Wednesday night JUNE 10th in Los Angeles:
Last week Duane Betts was sailin'.....

Oakley Krieger Band
@ The Mint
6010 Pico (Pico & Crescent Heights)
10:30p

oh, and I forgot!
Oakley Krieger Band headlines The Ventura Theater - Ventura California
Thursday, July 2, 1998
Tickets are $10 in advance, $12 at the door.

This is a big theater, help us fill it up....

In between...
OKB opens for Marshall Tucker at the Key Club in L.A. June 29th.....
:)

p.s. we're trying some geek stuff - subscribe to our automatic email list:
 OKBits  (for AOL
users)  or
http://www.listbot.com/cgi-
bin/subscriber?Act=subscribe_list_new_e_mail&list_id=OKB


 Subject: 
        Re: Coffee Table Book
   Date: 
        Tue, 9 Jun 1998 22:46:36 -0400
   From: 
        Daryl Mann 



`Despite the compelling elements of the Allman >Brothers' story,
Freeman's is only the second book on >the band, according to his
bibliography. The first was >a 1976 publication that Freeman described
as a >coffeetable picture book'

`Has anyone ever heard of this book?  It'd be interesting to look & see
if it's around huh?'

  I'm assuming that this is Tom Nolan's 1975 softcover book on the
Brothers. It is *extremely* rare but well worth picking up if you
do see it. In the book it is mentioned that the Allmans played `My
Favourite Things' at an early gig and I believe it is in this tome
that the `Eric only plays acoustic on `Layla'' vibe started.

                             Daryl.